- 1 Results and Notes
- 2 Linux Software
- 3 Actually Burning
- 4 Pick One
- 5 Mediacodes
- 6 Research
- 7 Protections
- 8 Playing/Ripping
- 9 Media
- 9.1 Places to Look
- 9.2 Mdisc
- 9.3 Verbatim
- 9.4 Taiyo Yuden
- 9.5 Panasonic
- 9.6 Sony
- 9.7 TDK
- 9.8 Digistor
- 9.9 Melody
- 9.10 SmartBlu
- 9.11 BD-R RE
- 9.12 Notes
- 10 Cases
- 11 Printer
- 12 High To Low and Low to High
Results and Notes
cdrecord: It seems the official version of cdrecord burns blu-ray BD-RE at 2x just fine. It could have been because I had loaded the sg module beforehand?
I was having this HUGE issue burning media after removing cdrkit(wodimm) and installing cdrtools. Somehow multisession got turned on in the k3b before burn screen.
k3b needs to integrate libburn support! It possibly does not matter though because it seems like cdrtools is really doing the job.
So, I missed this and you most likely did too. There is libburn, cdrkit, and cdrtools. Now there was a license war and wodimm was created from cdrtools. It was originally packaged as cdrtools, but in some distros and those distros would hack together some additional features. The author of cdrtools would get all these emails about how it was not working...even though it was not his fault and the bad code was from the distro. The distros did not like the CDDL license he chose and people had all this stuff to say about how CDDL does not work with GPL...here is more info: http://inconsolation.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/cdrtools-cdrkit-and-cdrskin-untying-the-knot/
So now it looks like there are 3 main things going for CD burning in linux.
- cdrtools the original - Site is old, but the sourceforge project looks active - http://cdrtools.sourceforge.net/private/cdrecord.html
- cdrkit - Gone? - http://www.cdrkit.org/
- libburn based cdrskin and xorriso - http://libburnia-project.org/
(this is a lie, the cake is a lie) libburn is the only lib that can burn BD-RE at 2x speed. See this: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-July/439016.html
Original cdrecord out of cdrtools was already discussed in the this thread. To my knowledge it is fast with BD-R, because it does not format them. It is not fast with BD-RE, because it uses SCSI command WRITE(10) which does not allow to override the slow Defect Management.
growisofs formats BD-R by default and then uses slow Defect Management. This can be prevented by option
growisofs has no means to prevent Defect Management on BD-RE media.
My own programs, libburn based cdrskin and xorriso, do not format BD-R by default. So they are as fast as with cdrecord. Other than with cdrecord it is possible to format BD-R on request
cdrskin -v dev=/dev/sr0 blank=format_if_needed xorriso -outdev /dev/sr0 -format as_needed
which makes them capable of slow Defect Management. Other than growisofs and cdrecord, cdrskin and xorriso offer the opportunity to disable Defect Management on formatted BD-R and on BD-RE
cdrskin stream_recording=on ...cdrecord-like-burn-options... xorriso -stream_recording on ...xorriso-burn-commands...
This is especially helpful with 2x BD-RE, which elsewise need an awfully long time to write their capacity of 22.5 GiB.
k3b works with both cdrtools and cdrkit. The cdrtools website looks like it is something out of the dam 90's but it still is the most updated. cdrkit was the wodim one that people still recommend. They both burn BD-RE fine, and at the same speed. Some people say only to use wodim to burn CD's. I switched over to cdrecord (cdrtools) for now.
the libburn based cdrskin works with xfburn and brasero. With xfburn, when I burn data, I cannot verify...so what is the point. I could not get brasero to work correctly on my archlinux box.
xcdroast and xcdroast-cdrecord in the archlinux aur support cdrkit and cdrtools
You used to be able add cdrskin to k3b by adding this to the search path. /usr/bin/cdrskin
But that does not work right now.
I do not plan to use BD-RE exclusively and if I do, I may just move to the command line or hopefully k3b will support /usr/bin/cdrskin some day.
- Install Imgburn
- Do Firmware Update
- Why did it only burn at 1x?
- How fast does it read?
- Test USB 3.0 interface with HD.
- Determine Best Burning Software: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=183317
- Determine optimal way to add parity
- Should I archive? Then I would have to extract to use.
- Should I encrypt? Same as above, more work to use.
- use the force luke: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/Blu-ray/
Looks like I am going with: WH16NS40 Super Multi Blue Internal SATA 16x Blu-ray Disc Rewriter by LG, a Vantec USA NexStar DX External 5.25-Inch Optical Drive Enclosure USB 3.0 External Interface Optical Drives 14700365 (NST-530S3-BK), which I am going to easily modify with eSATA using a StarTech 2 Port SATA to eSATA Slot Plate Bracket (ESATAPLATE2).
I plan to test an array of USB 3.0 express cards and at least one eSATA express card.
This drive works and is very fast (much faster and more useful than my five year old ASUS drive). I easily installed the drive (it took my last SATA connection), ripped my existing Blu-rays using MakeMKV (demo for 30 days and then refreshed with registration info available online), converted if needed using free Handbrake, and played the resulting files using free VLC or the even better PotPlayer (just updated). Copying with simple to use MakeMKV (which I prefer to AnyDVD HD or DVDFab, which I prefer to Nero, Corel, Cyberlink, and ArcSoft simply due to being less easily pushed around by evil Sony) takes only about 10 minutes for the movie file (the free DVDFab passkey + is discussed more below). I copy rips to a 3TB USB drive and play with a KDLinks HD700 or play directly on the PC using PotPlayer. Windows Media Player does not support Blu-ray for obnoxious legal reasons - thanks again Sony.
One can play Blu-ray disks using the popular CyberLink PowerDVD or TotalMedia Theatre (but with consumer hostile Cinavia copy protection, for-pay tech support, and forced $$ upgrades whenever Sony decides to change their encryption) or the simpler UFUSoft Blu-ray Player with lifetime license and email tech support (see REF1 in comment). While there are no truly satisfactory commercial PC players, free options are even worse and require you to somehow get the disk playlist and stream started. You can accomplish this with the manual VLC Blu-ray playback add-on pack or with a onetime setup for the fat XBMC media center, but you'll still need MakeMKV (version 13.0 just recently became available). The best option IMHO is the top rated PotPlayer (the latest beta became available just this week) with some sort of additional software. For the only free PotPlayer setup option, see DVDFab passkey + (see REF2 in comment). Passkey for Blu-ray removes AACS and BD+ copy protections, Region Code, BD-Live and UOPs. It thusly allows you to play disks directly with PotPlayer (or just use Windows Explorer to copy the M2TS movie file off the drive), but the software is a tad inconsistent and its setup process every time you insert a movie disk can take some time (which is a good part of the time required to just rip the movie with MakeMKV). But, it's the best wholly free solution.
I hate Blu-ray (really Sony, who've made using Blu-ray with a PC difficult at best so that many just give up trying) with its slow loading, failed features (BD-Live), constantly changing encryption (so, if you pay for a player, expect it to stop working in a couple years, costing you yet another $50-$100), and insufferable advertisements. Heck, we could have had 720p movies from a standard DVD (such as on Terminator 2 Extreme Edition with its 4x compression). Bottom line, this drive is highly recommended and there are many downloadable software options for its use (I prefer to just rip the movie and watch it offline - there are a LOT of cheap hardware players for your TV). The only setup problem I've had is that my case's eject button doesn't always correctly align with the drive's button, but then I can just do a software eject.
- USB 3.0 AND ESATA
- Just USB 3.0
- USB 2.0, only for esata mod...
- ECESATA254 - http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-ExpressCard-Controller-Adapter-ECESATA254/dp/B001MT988I/ - Linux Works!
- ECESATUSB1 - http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-ExpressCard-Controller-Adapter-ECESATUSB1/dp/B002Q0WM8U/ - Linux Works!
- ECESATA254F - http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Express-Controller-Adapter-ECESATA254F/dp/B004NO0KNG/ - Linux Works
- ECESAT32 - http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Express-Controller-Adapter-ECESATA254F/dp/B004NO0KNG/ - Linux Works
- ECESATA1 - http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-ExpressCard-Controller-Adapter-ECESATA1/dp/B002LM2760/ - Linux Works
- ECESATUSB1 - http://www.amazon.com/New-ExpressCard-Adapter-Startech-com-ECESATUSB1/dp/B007J9DA1Q/ - Linux Works
Manufacture says that linux works... ! has at least one good review.
- ECUSB3S254F - http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-ExpressCard-SuperSpeed-Adapter-ECUSB3S254F/dp/B00535CMEE/ - Linux Works
- TS-PNU3 - http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Express-Adapter-Laptop-TS-PNU3/dp/B003QJX1K8 - Linux Works
- ECUSB3S11 - http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Flush-ExpressCard-SuperSpeed-Adapter/dp/B00BB7TVMO/ - Linux Works
- JTD-UH302E - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005STWIQ2/ - Linux Works
- StarTech.com ExpressCard 34mm to 54mm Stabilizer Adapter, 3 Pack (ECBRACKET2) - http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-ExpressCard-Stabilizer-Adapter-ECBRACKET2/dp/B007UR1PIC/
They identify manufacture etc of disc.
Slimline External They are all pretty slow compared to full size...
- there's LG, Pioneer or a slim-type Samsung
- Panasonic too?
The below two samsung drives have problems writing at 2x...
BRXL-PC6U2B is SN-506AB
- mcse no
- Emails from buffalo about no firmware updates ever....
SE-506CB/RSBD is SE-506CB
DIG-79102 is Panasonic UJ-260 is Matshita - Hardest to region unlock...
Internal External Drives
WH14NS40 and BE14NU40 seem to be the same drive one is external(usb3) and one is not
- WH16NS40, BH16NS40 and BH16NS48 are using same hardwares and different firmwares, crossflashing is possible.
- WH is more like commercial/drive only BH is with software etc. The only reason I wanted to know if you could crossflash is because there are no updates as of yet for the WH16ns40 but there is for the BH16ns40. Also I'm using DVDFab 9 and it seems to work well for me.
- Not rip locked (10x max)
- DBK versus EBK: The only real difference is the DBK doesn't support writing to BDXL (3 layer and 4 layer BD media), EBK does support BDXL media. (Note: only 3-layer BDXL media is really available, but is rare). Both drives support all the same other types of media and share the same features otherwise.
- EBK has BluRay-TL and -QL compared to DBK.
- Same with XLT, has TL and QL also and a shiny front plate.
- XLT seems to have better firmware support than EBK (releases are earlier available).
And I'm going to do my best to list the important differences:
- DBK drives: no BDXL support, no DVD-RAM support, normal front plate/normal physical construction, no additional software-enabled drive features.
- EBK drives: does have BDXL support, should have DVD-RAM support, normal front plate/normal physical construction, no additional software-enabled drive features unless otherwise noted. Similar to the MBK drives.
- S..XLT drives: does have BDXL support, does have DVD-RAM support, premium front plate/slightly better physical construction, more premium features (toggled via an associated drive utility) that may alter playback/ripping performance, should have more firmware updates over its lifetime (though firmware updates are rare these days)
- S..J: does have BDXL support, premium front plate/better physical construction (the most premium drive historically made for Pioneer's home market), all premium features (toggled via an associated drive utility) that may alter playback/ripping performance, should have more firmware updates over its lifetime (though firmware updates are rare these days)
- NOT Rip Locked
- The BDR-S09J-BK is really what you want in the end. 160 + ship from japan.
Only the LiteOn drives (or one of the LiteOn rebadges) can do quality scans, so if that's a must, then this will restrict your choice to an iHBSx12 drive.
Quality wise, probably the best drive to get would be a Pioneer BDR-207 or 208.
I haven't tried my BH16NS40 drive with a lot of different media so far, but based on what I tried it with so far, I'm not that impressed with these 16x LG drives, so if I were you I would go for either a Pioneer or a LiteOn. Pioneer burners should in general be better burners than LiteOn ones, but they can't do quality scans...
Look at the relevant threads for all these drives and you can find plenty of quality scans ... that should help you to make your mind up about which one to go for ...
Albert, it might be worth putting a warning on the first post in this thread stating that BW-12B1ST a drives with firmware 1.00 are no longer LiteON iHBS112 clones and hence people should not attempt to crossflash them. Doing so will brick their drive.
BW-12B1ST 1.03 = LiteON iBHS112 clones BW-12B1ST a 1.00 = LG BH14NS40 clones
About your question: "Bitsetting program This tool allows you to burn your DVD+R discs with the DVD-ROM book type. Why would you want to do that? Well some set top DVD players as well as the xbox/ps2 will not read DVD+R discs. This usually isn't because they can't read them, but because the manufacturer set the player to block the +R book type! This tool will greatly increase compatibility with more set top DVD players."
The Pioneer will be slightly easier to match to a caddy. It can be crossflashed to give auto bitsetting. Produces quality burns with a wide range of media. The 203 will work in an external caddy, the best way way is to go for a PCI card to enable eSATA capability. Bitsetting has to be done each & everytime, unless the s/w (like Nero & ImgBurn) does this. Faster quality burns than Pioneer but for the quality the media has to be generally speaking top notch.
- Some drives are riplocked slowing them down so Media Code Speed Edit
rpc1 and rpc2
- RPC1 is a scheme that makes the playing software manage and control regioned playback.
- RPC2 is a scheme that makes the drive manage and control access. http://www.dvdcca.org/rpc.html
- Most RPC2 drives will refuse to return CSS Keys when the region setting of the disc and drive mismatch. For such drives software like AnyDVD must brute force the keys. If well implemented RPC2 will make it impossible to play a disc from the wrong region (Matshita).
- A firmware that has been patched to RPC1 doesn't care, on any level, what region(s) the disc has, and the drive has no region setting itself.
- With an RPC1 firmware you must manage the regioning of your playback software or OS, with additional software. http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?t=239
- RPC1 does not remove CSS protection, the content is, and remains scrambled.
Also Matshita Drives seem to have additional hardware above the firmware to enforce rpc2
- The Blu-ray Disc implementation of Cinavia is designed to cover two use-cases: the first is the provision of a Cinavia watermark on all movie theater soundtracks released via film distribution networks; the second use-case is for the provision of a Cinavia watermark on all Blu-ray Disc releases that points to the presence of an accompanying AACS key. If a "theatrical release" watermark is detected in a consumer Blu-ray Disc audio track, the accompanying video is deemed to have been sourced from a "cam" recording. If the "AACS watermark" is present in the audio tracks, but no accompanying and matching AACS key is found on the disc, then it is deemed to have been a "rip" made by copying to a second blank Blu-ray Disc.
On 5 June 2009, the licensing agreements for AACS were finalized, which were updated to make Cinavia detection on commercial Blu-ray Disc players a requirement.
On July 3, 2009, Maxim Anisiutkin published an open source DVD Audio watermark detector and neutralizer computer program to the SourceForge web site. The software package contains a detailed description of the method and embedding parameters used in creating the DVD Audio or SDMI (Secure Digital Music Initiative) watermark, which was created by Verance Inc and was the earlier version of the Cinavia watermarking technology.
From January 2013 onwards, attempts were made by third-party software suppliers to make use of existing bugs and loopholes in Blu-ray Disc players to avoid Cinavia message triggering, but without any attempt being made at precisely removing the Cinavia signal from the audio. These attempts included iDeer Blu-ray Player, DVDFab and AnyDVD HD (version 126.96.36.199) which used workarounds to avoid Cinavia-enabled software Blu-ray Disc players from triggering Cinavia detection messages.
In August 2013, DVD-Ranger released a white paper detailing their methods for detecting, and subsequently removing, the present Cinavia signal from audio files. The DVD-Ranger CinEx beta software synchronises and detects the Cinavia signal in the same way as a consumer Cinavia detection routine; these identified parts of the audio stream are permanently removed, removing the Cinavia signal. Post-processing can be used to try to "fill-in" the audible gaps created.
There are claims that Cinavia can be removed using open source software like Audacity with an extracted audio file from a video source. The audio file is processed by decreasing pitch by -13%; the processed audio file is then merged back into the video source. This renders the Cinavia watermark unreadable.
The best Cinavia removal method was provided by Myce user Cienoway. Several people confirmed that the Cienoway method works. The detail of the method was not disclosed. However Cienoway claimed his computer code was extremely simple and broke Cinavia fundamentally, so no remedy was possible. It was not clear when Cienoway will disclose his Cinavia removal method publicly.
This Stuff is Nuts
- Cienoway Cinavia
- The abuse being heaped upon DVDRanger in that long thread is pretty amusing.
- In any case, just another reminder of what a scummy outfit DVDRanger is. If they had been upfront about replacing audio tracks, people might have been interested as a quick way of doing this rather than hunting down audio tracks from other sources. But they lied about what their program was doing.
- The audio produced by the DVDRanger CinEX program does not contain Cinavia. It is not the same, high quality sound you would hear from the original DTS HD MA audio, but is acceptable for some people, and is clearly a huge improvement over their first attempts.
- No one outside of the DVDRanger group knows for certain if the Cinavia protection is removed, or if they are replacing part of the audio from other sources. From past dealings with them, everyone is recommended to take their statements with a healthy dose of skepticism.
- BD+ is effectively a virtual machine embedded in authorized players. It allows content providers to include executable programs on Blu-ray Discs.
- examine the host environment, to see if the player has been tampered with. Every licensed playback device manufacturer must provide the BD+ licensing authority with memory footprints that identify their devices.
- verify that the player's keys have not been changed.
- execute native code, possibly to patch an otherwise insecure system.
- transform the audio and video output. Parts of the content will not be viewable without letting the BD+-program repair it.
It is a java VM.....so java decryption, like smart cards http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD%2B
More Information About Other Protections
Take a look at the menu "Content Protection"
- http://www.makemkv.com/ - Closed Source Bin Component
DVDFAB: The PS3 doesn't support MKV, so, that part's irrelevant. The structure that DVDFab outputs can be written to disc (and is made for doing so), but, it doesn't actually REMOVE the Cinavia. It, instead, makes the media a "TRUSTED_SOURCE" by adding AACS encryption to it. The Cinavia detection code sees the valid AACS certificate and goes on its merry way.
Alternative Network Streaming:
- Hardware Players: https://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?41885-Cinavia-Protected-Disks-and-Blu-ray-Players-%28disks-and-players-ONLY%29
- Uses full GPU, so no player....but still on rpi, works great. OpenELEC.
Disc License MID list: https://www.blu-raydisc.info/licensee-list/discmanuid-licenseelist.php
- Taiyo Yuden doesn't make their own HTL discs at all to my knowledge. Their single layer discs are LTH.
- Those particular DL discs are the same thing. JVC/TY just source them from Panasonic.
- JVC/Taiyo Yuden get their HTL DL BD-R discs from Panasonic
- If you want Verbatim brand, its easy to find them at Rima.com, or Supermediastore.com
- Media Warranty?
So far people have been relying on Panasonic (MEI...) discs or FTI (TDK...) discs for important things with no real issues.
The main ones suffering are Ritek (RITEK...) and Philips (PHILIP...) discs.
Others, like Verbatim (VERBATIM...), Sony (SONY...) or TY/JVC (TY-BD... or JVC-AMSL...) have been okay, and no one has reported anything ugly with Infomedia (INFOME...) or CMC (CMC...) discs after using them. Those are what I would say are the most popular discs. I don't know anything about Umedisc (UME...) or Moser Baer (MBI...) media, but again, if there had been problems, people would have noticed.
Note, this doesn't specifically refer to the brands but the actual designers and producers of the discs. That said, there are manufacturers like Panasonic who sell their own discs under their own brands. I know you've noticed this by now, but just had to put the reminder here.
Places to Look
Dual Layer Notes
- rima brands: Verbatim
- supermediastore: Verbatim, Titan, Ritek
- MID: VERBAT-IMe-000
MID: MEI-T02-001 BD Disc Information (L0): Disc ID: MEI-T02-001 Disc Type: BD-R Disc Size: 120 mm Disc Class: 0 Disc Version: 1 Disc Time Stamp: 03/2007 Number of Layers: 2 Layer Type: Writable DVD Layer Present: No CD Layer Present: No Channel Bit Length: 74.50 nm (25 GB Per Layer) Push-Pull Polarity: Positive Recorded Mark Polarity: HTL BCA Present: Yes"
- 30pk - Dual Layer
- Should be HTL
- HTL? (Black Back?)
- MID: Sony NN3
- Unknown, Call out to manufacture (composite?)
- CMCMAGBA3 most likely (info from 2012, http://club.myce.com/f179/tdk-bd-r-dl-273611/)
- Per ImgBurn the batch I received 05/05/2014 are MID: CMCMAG-BA3-000 with Recorded Mark Polarity: HTL
http://www.tdk.com/oem.php 1-800-835-8273 tdk 1033445
- 25pk - sl
- 19.75 - 6.99
- DIGISTOR 25GB 6X BD-R
- Originally: TDKBLDRBD
- Now: CMCMAG-BA5
- The ones with the original MID seemed good.
- It IS HTL - Media ID:
- They are changing their manufacture of media at the beginning of 2015.
- 25pk - Dual Layer
- MID: cmcmag-Dl6
- MID: INFOME-R40
- MID: Those MIUAE SmartBlu discs (MID TDKBLD-RBB)
- To Test your system and software, figuring out how to burn:
- mid: CMCMAG-CN2-000
- 10pk - REG
- Guessing: VERBAT-IM0
- HTL vs LTH?? Unknown
- 10pk - 50GB
- Verbatim Mitsubishi
- Guessing: VERBAT-IM1
- Guessing: SONY-ES1-002
- HTL vs LTH?? Unknown
- From my post: http://club.myce.com/f33/purchasing-bd-r-sl-dl-htl-where-get-advisement-reccomendations-337519/#post2740756
I guess to look cool?:
- Epson Stylus Photo RX595 and a CD printing Tray
Epson seems to have a cd printing tray for a decent amount of inkjets
High To Low and Low to High
HTL and LTH identification: http://superuser.com/questions/879216/how-to-determine-whether-blu-ray-disc-is-htl-or-lth